Goverment Priorities

[LittleLion]

Yes they could be eatung the dogs in humaine ways but that's the point, they aren't
The conditions the animals have to live in are terrible and i think a stop should be put to it as soon as possible!
And by the way, Meltos......govermental HAHAHAH :p

[Meltos]

ok, I give up. I know nout about all these and im probably makign it worse. lol. *grabz little's tounge* >:)

Meltos

[Cold Tiger]

Yes they could be eatung the dogs in humaine ways but that's the point, they aren't
The conditions the animals have to live in are terrible and i think a stop should be put to it as soon as possible!

OK, well, as long as they're banning animal cruelty rather than cultural practices.

[superlion]

Please no violence guys. That includes tongue-grabbing. Let's be civil.

[LittleLion]

Yeah Meltos tutut :p

[Meltos]

ok......Well....er.....Sorry I geuss. Shut it Little :p I can do it on msn you knw >:)

Meltos

[LittleLion]

Thats a good point hmm
Anyway bak to the disscussion and moving on swiftly

[Jay]

Oh boy... an opportunity for more of Jay's thoughts.

Not all fox hunting involves killing a fox. Some involve just being the first person to see the fox. Some involve being the first person to take a picture of the fox. Some are even using foxes raised and trained for such events. Still, some would say that even using a fox in such a way is bad. I don't know, not being a fox. I could say how such things might be good for the fox. It is getting exercise. People often force their pets to do things that the pets might not otherwise do, but in the name of doing them good.

I'm against hunting for anything that involves killing just for sport, or even because we do not want a species to have problems due to overpopulation. (We know so little, how can we determine such things, especially concerning species around longer than us.) But I think it's OK to hunt for food or do things for pest control (even though that can be a gray area at times). I think such things should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible. Although I would not kill a dog or cat for food, I guess I do not have a problem if others do. (I never thought about this before.) My reason gets back to the "we know so little". Decisions of what can be killed or not, usually are based on perceived "intelligence" (for lack of a better term). But who can really said what or who has the greatest intelligence? Still, I would hope that everyone would believe that dogs and cats should not be used as food.

It is true that fines are often jokes. I worked at a Sears in Pennsyvania during my youth. In preparation for the Christmas holiday spending, we would put stock to very close to the ceiling in the backrooms, knowing this was a violation of fire code and had a fine. They did not hide it; they would call the fire marshalls out immediately, show them and pay the fine immediately. At that time, there were also laws against being open on Sundays. They found that the extra business easily paid for the fines.

I would say law enforcement is a joke also. I'm not talking about the detectives for serious crimes. But others (such as traffic types of police) are a waste. Not only have I seen them let go of guilty people because it was easier for them, but I have also seen them give citations to innocent people because it was actually easier for the officers than to do an investigation. How many times to you see officers going faster than speed limits without their lights on, or making turns without turn signals?

I believe that, to an extent, U.S. citizens have to do things to affect the government in the Philippines, and any other country where the U.S. has trade. Our businesses are importing things from these other places to save money. Well, things are cheaper because of the conditions in those countries. If we do business with countries that have slave or child labor or other things that would be illegal here, then we are just as guilty of those acts ourselves. I check labels when I buy things. I still will not knowingly buy things made in China because of their practices.

[LittleLion]

I'm risking sounding realy bad here but quite franky, i don't care about humans
I think that just once animals should be put first, given prioritie!
They do, afterall, keep the world alive and act as faithfull comapnions to many!
We may not know a lot but no-one can turn around and say that killing any kindof animal, be it a dog or a cow, is right!
If there was a factory slaughtering humans it would be thought of as disgusting to many people but i would actualy not mind because then the people would notice what mistakes they are making!
I'm sorry if that offended anyone but i really do feel that injustice on the animals half

[KittyCatt]

Hm. I must say first off, what I failed to mention before. I hunt. Deer mostly, but occasionally small game like squirrels or rabbits. But eating those animals is humane!
I think LittleLion and I share the same thoughts on this matter.
Eating a animal like a domestic dog is frowned upon in the Word. The Bible. If I may quote from parts of verses in Genesis:

Genesis 1: 19-20
Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and heavens, and he began bringing them to the man (Adam) to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call it, each living soul, that was its name.
So the man was calling the names of all the domestic animals and of the flying creatures of the heavens and of every wild beast of the field.

So, to explain my point.

Point 1: God created the animals.
Point 2: God brought all of the animals before man to name them.
Point 3: Animals are LIVING SOULS just like humans are.
Point 4: There is a distinction between domestic animals (dogs, cats) and wild animals (deer, foxes).

Also, to quote from the Bible book of Leviticus:

Leviticus 24: 18
And the fatal striker of the soul of a domestic animal should make compensations for it, soul for soul.

Now, don't take me wrong, I'm not at all saying that all of the old laws of the Bible still apply, though most still do. But still, God sees the needless killing of domestic animals as evil, and should a man kill a domestic for no reason, that man should pay for it's living soul with his own.
Before I get off on a wild argument about this, I'm done. But thank you for your time and reading, and have a nice day!

[Cold Tiger]

All a matter of opinion, I suppose. I certainly don't condemn hunting as long as it's not an endangered or threatened species, for example.

Leviticus 24: 18
And the fatal striker of the soul of a domestic animal should make compensations for it, soul for soul.

Now, don't take me wrong, I'm not at all saying that all of the old laws of the Bible still apply, though most still do. But still, God sees the needless killing of domestic animals as evil, and should a man kill a domestic for no reason, that man should pay for it's living soul with his own.

The NIV version says "Anyone who takes the life of someone's animal must make restitution- life for life." Restitution means refund, so probably this means that the person is meant to give the other person another animal in replacement of the one he killed.

[BrachiKari]

I also share these views, and favor animals over humans. That is why my puppy is so darn spoiled.

Anyway, the topic of Animal Cruelty is looked at through different views. For the favoring humans over animals people, a link between companion animal violence and abuse to children and/or women has been discovered and researched throughout some years. For the animal favoring people, this link helps out the animals by charging the criminal for a little sentence. Hopefully, the US is deciding to increase the years in jail and fines for animal cruelty committers.

[LittleLion]

People you're missing my point!
I feel animals should not be slaughtered no matter what type of animal they are!
Think how calm and happy you feel when you see a deer in the field opposite your house, or how fascinated you are when watching a family of foxes or rabbits!
Back in the years when slavery existed; the slaves were hunted! The slaves where actualy at one with nature and lived in harmonie with all the animals however when the slaves where hunted it was thught of as terrible and stopped immediatly! When animal hunting started; why should it be thpought of as differently to human hunting?

[Capt.Rutlinger]

I'm really pro-animal protection,but this does not mean that animals can not be hunted on. It's all a matter of drawing a line. I have respect for animals not because God made them (I'm more a Darwin man) but because we (mankind) came from the animals. I agree barbaric practices of animals should be stopped now matter what. Sadly between theory and practice there is a great difference. You can't force someone poor in the phillepines to buy beef if dog or catmeat is ten times cheaper.

[LittleLion]

People still missing the point!
Lets think not about the people; forget about the people, its not them im talking about!
What people do is wrong no matter how you look at it!
The Phillipines may be poor, not that thats an excuse, but we aren't and yet we still eat meat!