Goverment Priorities

[Cold Tiger]

People still missing the point!
Lets think not about the people; forget about the people, its not them im talking about!
What people do is wrong no matter how you look at it!
The Phillipines may be poor, not that thats an excuse, but we aren't and yet we still eat meat!

As I have said elsewhere, "It is all a matter of opinion. I believe that you are wrong, but I'm not saying that my opinion is absolutely right over yours. I could be wrong. So could you."

[superlion]

People are animals too. =P

[jwa1107]

I'm risking sounding realy bad here but quite franky, i don't care about humans 
I think that just once animals should be put first, given prioritie!
They do, afterall, keep the world alive and act as faithfull comapnions to many!
We may not know a lot but no-one can turn around and say that killing any kindof animal, be it a dog or a cow, is right!
If there was a factory slaughtering humans it would be thought of as disgusting to many people but i would actualy not mind because then the people would notice what mistakes they are making!
I'm sorry if that offended anyone but i really do feel that injustice on the animals half  :evil:People you're missing my point!
I feel animals should not be slaughtered no matter what type of animal they are!
Think how calm and happy you feel when you see a deer in the field opposite your house, or how fascinated you are when watching a family of foxes or rabbits!
Back in the years when slavery existed; the slaves were hunted! The slaves where actualy at one with nature and lived in harmonie with all the animals however when the slaves where hunted it was thught of as terrible and stopped immediatly! When animal hunting started; why should it be thpought of as differently to human hunting? 

First off, you SHOULD care very much about humans - because it is human behaviour that you are trying to change. To change behaviour, you have to see why the behaviour is occuring in the first place. You cannot ignore the poor Filipinos - why are they selling dogs in too small cages? Solve that problem and they won't have to sell dogs in too small cages.

Secondly, are going to tell everyone what is right and what is wrong?
Even the Bible shows animals being sacrificed by humans to God.
If you believe the Bible, then killing an animal is right.

Thirdly, your huge misstatements on slavery offend me (and hopefully others) AND do a disservice to all when you try to put forth such gross inaccuracies as truth. I don't doubt that some slaves were hunted for sport somewhere some time in some culture, but to generalize and make a blanket statement as such is misleading. As is the statement that slaves were living as one with Nature and animals. If one sees some of the conditions in which slaves lived in historical buildings and such, then a statement that they were living in harmony with anything borders on propaganda.

[superlion]

*agrees wholeheartedly with JWA's above statement*

[LittleLion]

I have just finished studying slavery; u missunderstood me!
The slaves lived in the right way with the attitude all people should have!
When they were in their homelands they were living happily and sharing everything they had with the animals!!!

[superlion]

Going off on a tangent for clarification of the matter at hand...

First off, before being sold into slavery or captured as slaves, you can't call a person a slave.

Secondly, the aboriginal people groups these people belinged to were no different from modern tribal groups. There are hunter-gatherer peoples all over the world currently. Human beings can not hunt enough game to survive without developing weapons as a means of taking it down, so cultures around the world all have various weapons ranging from spears to boomerangs. You may not be willing to say that that is "harmonius with nature", because it is vastly unfair to the majority of species that have no defense against ranged attacks. To remind you of the first point, none of these people are slaves. Now, before human beings had any sort of agriculture we were already causing extinctions of species. By driving mammoths off of cliffs in order to get food, humans in North America caused their extinction. No other force has had as much impact on the extinction of species than human beings in the history of the world, and a large amount of that is when people "lived in harmony with nature", with very little behavioural difference between people and animals.

Now back on topic, JWA makes an excellent point that you should care at least to some degree about the people involved, because without changing them you will never be able to change what you want to change. You obviously care that we disagree with you, but you can't effectively speak to the people you want to change this way because they may honestly tell you that if they stop what they're doing with no reasonable alternative they will starve to death. Now there's nothing that will make people more violent than starvation...

[KittyCatt]

*Disagrees whole heartedly with Jwa's statement, but stays out of it for the sake of her temper.*

[Luna Manar]

You know...frankly... WAAH. Seriously. Waaah.

But in the spirit of civil debate...

I'm all for protecting animal AND human rights. The problem is when the two come into conflict. If you want to take away the right for these people to hunt, can you also offer them an alternative livelihood that can be implimented immediately and make them just as much if not better standards of living than they gleans from hunting these animals?

You say you care about animals over humans, LittleLion. Fine, but not everyone is going to share the sentiment, and you need to respect that.

If your issue is with the treatment of the animals before they are killed--consider that humane treatment of animals, unfortunately, costs money. If the hunters cannot expend the money to care for the animals before killing them, that's extremely unfortunate, but the hunters are doing what they can to survive, and you can't blame them for that.

It is more likely the economic status of the country that is to blame for the animals' torment. I doubt these hunters are "torturing" the animals because they think it's fun. Solve the fiscal problem, and the hunters will either find more lucrative jobs or they will be able to afford the necessary equipment to comfortably house the animals they catch.

Bringing religion into the issue is really not advisable.

[BrachiKari]

I agree wholeheartedly with JWA, SL, and Luna.

But to add to this debate here, I say that you can't compare the slavery issue in American history to the way animals are treated these days. Why? I will state this, hopefully not so a whole heated debate goes out, but in opinion. Slavery impacted US history with a nice punch in the backside for African American rights, which were well deserved.

For the animals, the human population believes that animals didn't effect history as much, which in itself is an untrue statement with a hidden answer. Animals, like my favorite, the horse, effected history in such a way barely any of the human population knows. BUT! Animals aren't recoginized in textbooks in history, now, are they?

Therefore, please read over your statements before you try to pass them as facts.

[Capt.Rutlinger]

about the slavery thing (wich is off topic). There are some cases reported of Spanish conquistadores who hunted down escaped slaves with dogs.
But I agree with all of you who've said that you also need to pay attention to the human aspect. Like Luna: animal AND human rights. You need to stop focussing on the past, cause what's done is done. Look at the future!

[Wally]

Humans, animals, all the same.... boring!
I say protect all ye care about and try to let them live as long as you live.. And if you think the goverment does nothing about it do something yourself for a change!
You're not dependant to the goverment! You're a free soul!

So be free little teapot, BE FREEEEEEE!

[Luna Manar]

What Wally said.

[lilgamefreek]

<span style='color:orange'>Edit by SL: This thread was not about US government policies. It was about the government's choices in the Phillippines. lilgamefreek please read the rules regarding contraband topics.</span>

[Luna Manar]

And on that note, I think this topic has become a little too vitriolic; I'm going to lock it, now, before it gets any worse. SL, you may delete it at your leisure...